Does it exist or not and how could there be one if he was fired before he was able to finish the film, (and they used the death of his daughter as a reason for his exit rather than embarrass him and say he was fired for making a crappy movie), and are the stars of the movie doing anyone any favors by weighing in and saying to release it if they don't know it exists or not. I think it was Jason Mamoa who claimed he had seen it. But where? Is anyone really thinking that WB has a version of his movie just lying around to pop in for an actor to watch? Nothing about this "movement" makes sense.
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The supposed mythical Snyder version of Justice League. A segment of fans has been campaigning for it since the theatrically-released movie came out and they were convinced every bad shot was Joss Whedon** and anything they liked was part of a vastly superior movie that for some reason WB refused to release. Because I guess they actually believe a movie studio was going to keep a better movie to themselves?
** Edited to add that it very well could be Joss's fault the movie was bad. I have no idea. To be honest I don't like Justice League and I understand fans wishing it were different. But wanting there to be a better version doesn't make it so.
Last Edit: Nov 20, 2019 17:03:10 GMT -5 by NYPinTA
The most anticipated Warner Bros. superhero flick is one that might not even exist: the infamous “Snyder Cut” of the movie Justice League. It’s an alleged version of director Zack Snyder’s Justice League that has become something of a myth among fans.
Diehard DC Comics fans will tell you that the fabled Snyder Cut is exactly the Justice League story fans wanted: a darker, more cohesive, and overall better director’s version that completely changes the movie for the better.
Whispers of a possible Snyder Cut began soon after Justice League hit theaters in November 2017. The movie that we got, according to Snyder’s biggest fans, is a twisted, gnarled, ignorant work that was knee-capped by outside forces that suffocated Snyder’s true vision. And since its release, a hashtag movement has simmered, bubbling up with each Warner Bros. premiere with increasing fervor.
This week, coinciding with the two-year anniversary of Justice League’s theatrical release, the Snyder Cut — which until now has mostly existed as a myth spread by word of mouth among fans — is the closest it’s ever been to reality.
On November 15, Snyder posted pictures on the social media platform Vero, images that fans quickly believed were from the Snyder Cut itself: a still of Henry Cavill’s Superman in the hero’s trademark uniform, and another of the character in what appears to be a resurrection scene that differs from the one in the original Justice League.
A screenshot of Zack Snyder’s Vero post teasing a potential director’s cut of Justice League. Zack Snyder/Vero The shots Snyder posted might seem like typical superhero-movie fare of an actor in costume. But to devoted fans, the stills are evidence that the superior Snyder Cut does exist, and that it’s just being withheld from the public for whatever reason.
Adding fuel to the fire were tweets from former Batman actor Ben Affleck and Wonder Woman actress Gal Gadot on November 17. Affleck, who vacated the Batman post after Justice League, simply tweeted the hashtag #ReleaseTheSnyderCut:
Ben Affleck ✔ @benaffleck #ReleaseTheSnyderCut
Gal Gadot ✔ @galgadot #ReleaseTheSnyderCut
For the heroes themselves to be spreading the hashtag has given what’s been dubbed the “Release the Snyder Cut” movement more legitimacy than ever before. It’s one thing to have DC Comics enthusiasts get the hashtag trending, but Gadot and Affleck are actual Justice League members.
If even they want the Snyder Cut released, is the fan-driven movement onto something? Could the Snyder Cut really exist?
Warner Bros. hasn’t officially addressed the campaign, which has expanded beyond tweets and hashtags to include real-life demonstrations and events held by wanting fans. But according to the Hollywood Reporter’s sources at the company, there’s no imminent plan to release any such cut — nor has the studio confirmed it even exists.
That said, DC Comics fans’ interest in an alternate, higher-quality version of the poorly received team-up movie is natural, especially when stars and the film’s own director say one exists. But the “Release the Snyder Cut” campaign has darker motives too, as it galvanizes the fandom’s toxic sect, which has previously clung to conspiracy theories about film criticism and the business of Hollywood that threaten to damage the reputations of all of the above.
#ReleaseTheSnyderCut is a genius marketing push — if that’s all it is The origin story of the Snyder Cut starts in May 2017, when Snyder left the Justice League project just before reshoots to deal with the death of his daughter. (There are reports that dispute this and claim Snyder was fired much earlier, however.) Avengers director Joss Whedon was called in to handle the movie’s numerous reshoots. The reshoots with which Snyder was reportedly uninvolved, combined with fan theories that Warner Bros. was rushing the film to meet a year-end release date, led fans to believe the finished product had strayed from Snyder’s original vision.
Perhaps “Release the Snyder Cut” wouldn’t have become such a rallying cry if Justice League had been more successful.
After months of anticipation, Justice League turned out to be a critical and box-office disappointment. The more time that passed, the more fans blamed Snyder’s departure and Warner Bros. for its failure. In response, their hopes for some unannounced director’s cut of the film grew. Snyder fans consider his previous directors’ cuts of 2009’s Watchmen and 2016’s Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice to be improvements upon the theatrical versions, and that fueled a belief that a similar redux of Justice League would also be much more satisfying.
An online petition by one fan in late 2017 that asked for a director’s cut garnered over 179,000 signatures. That kicked off a full-on movement that, among other things, spurred a site called ForSnyderCut.com, which become a centralized hub for all Snyder Cut news. Then there was a January 2018 “march” on Warner Bros.’s Burbank studio to show how serious fans were, along with YouTube videos (in many languages), letters, and phone calls to Warner Bros. itself.
Itzmoe @itzmoe Oh my gosh, look at this loud, crazy protest! Yeah, lame YouTubers & media reporting misinformation, we were just going 2 take a photo! 😂 Thanks 2 Leo 4 taking it & EVERYONE who showed up! ❤#ReleaseTheSnyderCut #ReleaseTheSnyderCutPhoto#ILoveZackSnyder #JusticeLeague #DCEU
The Ringer has a good breakdown of the various teases Snyder himself has participated in to further fan the flames. Fans sunk their teeth into every one, culminating in a nearly $27,000 GoFundMe campaign to fly a banner at San Diego Comic-Con 2019. It wasn’t until March 2019 (just prior to the GoFundMe campaign) that Snyder confirmed the existence of his director’s cut to a fan while attending a fundraiser for the ArtCenter College of Design’s Ahmanson Auditorium:
Charlie @snydercutjl It's done. It's up to them.
Tried cleaning up the audio a bit to make what he's saying more [email protected] #ReleaseTheSnyderCut
Gadot, the flagship actress of Warner Bros.’s superhero universe, tweeting about the Snyder Cut is another sign of how much this movement has grown — and the possibility that the edit may eventually see the light of day.
But despite the star-studded endorsements and Snyder’s crafty hints, only a few people have said they’ve seen the cut. Most of its existence hinges on the word of Snyder himself or secondhand accounts. And others, like director (and early champion of the “Release the Snyder Cut” movement) Kevin Smith, say they’ve heard the cut isn’t in cinematic shape to actually screen.
“There is a Snyder Cut. For sure. That’s not a mythical beast. It exists. Now, it’s not a finished movie by any stretch of the imagination,” Smith told CinemaBlend earlier this year. “The ‘Snyder Cut’ that, again I haven’t seen, but the one I’ve heard everyone speak of was never a finished film. It was a movie that people in production could watch and fill in the blanks. It was certainly not meant for mass consumption.”
The rumors kept moving closer to home throughout 2019. In August, Aquaman actor Jason Momoa posted on Instagram that Snyder let him see the cut and that it was, in Momoa’s words, “ssssiiicccckkkkkk”:
It’s worth keeping in mind that Momoa and Gadot are still playing the heroes they portrayed in Justice League in upcoming standalone sequels. Drumming up interest in Justice League also drums up interest in their upcoming projects; tweeting about the Snyder Cut keeps their names in the news.
Supporting the Snyder Cut shows they also care about what fans want. These actors are essentially saying, without explicitly doing so, that they want the best for their fans. And since Justice League was so universally trashed, Gadot and Momoa aren’t really burning bridges by saying a better version of that movie exists somewhere.
When Wonder Woman 1984 comes out in June 2020, fans will likely remember that Gadot asked for the Snyder Cut to be released. And Gadot will likely be asked about the Snyder Cut again during that press tour.
Even if the Snyder Cut is never released, the Justice League stars who support the movement will have garnered goodwill from fans.
But releasing the Snyder Cut also courts a toxic aspect to this fervent fandom Gadot and Momoa’s support may be good for them, but it’s not great for those who are less concerned about the Snyder Cut. Despite the motivation or intent behind the Snyder Cut campaign — and regardless of the shape it’s in, if it does exist — it’s worth noting that some of the fans involved have gained a bad reputation. Their demands for the Snyder Cut’s release have grown more intense, and it’s emblematic of how toxic some fandoms have become in the past decade.
The #ReleaseTheSnyderCut movement frames the scenario to make it seem like Warner Bros. is keeping fans from the high-quality superhero movie they desire. The movement is not simply about wanting a director’s cut to be made available.
Rather, its supporters actually use the phrase to suggest that Warner Bros. executives like ex-DC Entertainment president Geoff Johns (who takes the brunt of the fans’ blame for Justice League, since it’s theorized he sabotaged Snyder’s vision because it was incongruent with his own); reshoots helmer Joss Whedon; and even Marvel Entertainment, film critics, and many people in between all have it out for Snyder fans. They don’t care whether fans get a good movie out of Justice League, a beloved property many DC Comics fans wanted to see adapted for years. They just care about making money.
This notion continues to send fans on the more paranoid side of the argument into attack mode online:
Jason Laboy Photography @jason24cf I really hope Geoff Johns does the right thing and stay far away from #ReleaseTheSnyderCut as he is greatly responsible for what happened with Zack’s departure, Cyborgs story getting cut/redone, hiring the pig that is Joss Whedon. It’s best he stays far far away from this!
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Dr. Chris 🇬🇷 Ω VOTE LABOUR! @vinaldo7 Those motherfuckers Whedon and Johns turned Barry Allen from a badass who was gonna reverse time and stop the motherboxes from destroying planet earth, into a bumbling fucking buffoon who falls on womens tits and pushes a fucking pickup truck. #ReleaseTheSnyderCut
405 1:26 PM - Nov 12, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 162 people are talking about this The online harassment has grown so fierce that a former DC exec deleted her Twitter in fall 2018 to avoid the rage in her mentions. A year prior, a writer from Pajiba received an avalanche of vitriol for criticizing the campaign online.
The reaction, albeit far more intense than previous Snyder-fan antics, is nothing new. It’s reminiscent of the great conspiracy theory of 2016, when a vocal sect of DC and Warner Bros. fans were convinced that Marvel had paid off critics to trash Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice. Supplemental to that theory is the narrative pushed by Snyder that his movies are made for fans, not critics.
The Snyder Cut contingent subsist on an “us versus them” mentality, where if you aren’t a fan of these poor movies, you must not be a “real” fan of the heroes themselves. Real fans are the ones who matter, of course. Brushing off negative criticism becomes a lot easier when it’s coming from people who aren’t real fans.
This creates a strange paradox of sorts in that true fans ostensibly should enjoy the Justice League movie no matter what, according to Snyder himself. But Snyder Cut fans will argue that the movie they were served was actually the work of other people — Whedon especially — and that they never got to see Snyder’s vision.
Hating Justice League means hating everything that was tinkered with. The Snyder Cut is what “real” fans should want.
Pitting fans against critics and movie execs reflexively creates an environment in which a silly idea like Marvel paying off the media to trash Warner Bros. takes flight. It also encourages some fans to verbally abuse anyone with a negative opinion of the movie or a Warner Bros. property.
Just prior to the release of October’s Joker, fans sent misogynistic tweets and emails — some that vaguely warned of theater shootings — to critics who saw the movie and gave it a poor review. This behavior continues and, in some ways, is entrenched in modern fandom culture, particularly among fans of DC superhero movies, which have suffered poor reviews over the years.
With stars like Affleck, Gadot, and Momoa urging Warner Bros. to release the Snyder Cut of Justice League, it seems like it would be in the company’s best interest to eventually release it — if that edit of the film does exist in some watchable form. There are countless fans who want it and the studio could cash in, especially on the anniversary of the movie. I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing more of Gadot and Momoa superhero-ing.
But there’s also a question of what happens after fans — especially the particularly toxic ones — get what they want. They could very well see the release of a Snyder Cut as something they earned by acting and lashing out, as though Warner Bros. is caving in to their demands or rewarding their bad behavior. And it’s hard to believe that’s the best course of action.
Last Edit: Nov 20, 2019 17:07:46 GMT -5 by NYPinTA
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a rough cut somewhere that Snyder compiled. It would be unfinished (not all the FX would be in it, and it would be missing some insert shots, etc.) But it would be really rough, and not complete in the least. I've seen a rough cut of a movie (a long time ago), and they're interesting to see, but only if you're into that kind of thing.
That's not what people are asking for, though, and I don't think it exists.
There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not.
Based on that Vox article, that rough cut is exactly what it sounds like he has. Which, you're right, is not what they want. They think they do, and seeing it might be cool, but it's not going to satisfy them but only make them more upset at "what could have been" but clearly WB didn't like whatever the "what could have been" that he was creating was so I'm mostly confused by this idea that the fans are owed something; which is a lot of how their campaign feels to me. Like they've been wronged because the creative powers that be decided to tell the story one way and not the other. It's not really the same as Save Our Show campaigns, because at least they acknowledge they just want more of something a studio can give them, or in the case of FarScape, said they were going to produce.
BTW, couldn't Snyder release a script of his version? Let people just read it instead? WB I don't think is ever going to release a rough cut of something just to make fans happy, unless they add it to some giant bundled package special edition of all the movies for a stupid amount of money.
Yeah. That was in the Vox article. But then, he was also the only director on Watchmen, right? And it's not unusual for directors to do "Director's Cut" or some such, so I"m not sure that could be evidence one exists for Justice League. I think it's more grasping at straws.
I don't think any good is going to come from this, but whatever. It's not like anyone can actually film anything right now. But I agree with this guy:
Really, the main problem with "Justice League" isn't the editing, or the tone. It's that the basic plot is extremely silly, even by the standards of big-budget superhero films. A villain improbably named Steppenwolf, played by a desperately mugging and egregiously horned Ciarán Hinds, wants to collect three "Mother Boxes" of power and destroy the earth. He chooses to strike after Superman is dead, prompting Batman (Ben Affleck) to organize a bunch of heroes to fight him. They bring Superman back to life, because bringing Superman back to life is what you do after he dies in any DC Universe story involving Superman. Then they beat Steppenwolf up in an explosion of mediocre special effects and wooden dialogue.
It's not an auspicious starting point. Additional scenes with Steppenwolf would obviously be a bad idea. Every moment he's on screen babbling about his own powerfulness and waving his ax is another moment you are wishing for a more interesting villain: Killmonger, Thanos, Orm, even Suicide Squad's Enchantress. The bar is that low.
More heroes isn't exactly an appealing concept either, though. Gadot and Affleck have the opposite of chemistry. Every time Gadot sighs meaningfully, while Affleck moves his jawline, a little piece of the history of cinema expires. "I think there's an attack coming," Batfleck declaims. "Not coming, Bruce. He's already here." Wonder Woman answers. That's dialogue all right. But do you really want more of it?
For me, most of the DCEU has been disappointing, with the exception of Wonder Woman (although I have a few issues with it) and Birds of Prey, which is sad to me because the cast they have gotten so far has been spot on. I mean, Jason Mamoa IS Aquaman. He's perfect for the role. The movie however was godawful. And I liked a lot of the ideas in the first Superman movie, that he kind of wandered the Earth for a while but his instinctive nature to help and use his powers for good is what gets him in trouble and that Lois is introduced because she's investigating a story and finds out the truth about him from the beginning... plus Henry Cavil is a great Superman, and I love Amy Adams. But ugh, the movie was just too much negativity. (And the thing with how his Jonathan Kent died was moronic.) Batman is dark. He's the "Dark Knight". But Superman is light. He's powered by the fucking sun, for crying out loud. All of these movies were wasted opportunity because they were chasing after the MCU and this last move... *shrugs* ... it kind of feels like it's something being done for the kind of people that like looking at car crashes.
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